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Old School 1984 BMX Schwinn Trasher Frame and Fork 20
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Yellow 1989 GT PRO PERFORMER Frame Old School BMX World Tour Freestyle
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OLD SCHOOL 87 HUTCH WINDSTYLER SURVIVOR BMX FREESTYLE FRAME AND FORK TRICKSTAR
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RARE Green PROFILE RACING FRAME Quality Old School BMX Hutch Haro GT Redline PK
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Old School BMX Skyway Street beat frame and fork
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OLD SCHOOL BMX 18 DIAMOND BACK FRAME WITH CHROME DYNO FORKS
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Dayglo Piink 1987 Hutch Exel Frame and Forks old school BMX
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1978 79 Redline MX II Nickel Plated Frame Forks MXII Old School BMX Proline
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OLD SCHOOL STANDARD SHAMAN BYKE BIKE FLATLAND BMX FREESTYLE FRAME STREET DIRT
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DIRT KING DK GENERAL LEE BMX RACING STREET OLD SCHOOL ORANGE FRAME
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old school bmx Raleigh Reflex Frame and Fork
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1990 chrome GT Vertigo Frame and Fork F F rare vintage old school bmx freestyle
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96 GT Vertigo BMX Frame Old School Dyno Hutch Redline Freestyle Performer Compe
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1980S PATTERSON PR200 PRE SERIAL FRAME AND FORK OLD SCHOOL BMX RARE VINTAGE
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OLD SCHOOL BMX DYNO COMP FRAME CHROME
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Vintage Free Agent FA Mongoose Old School Cromo Chrome BMX Bike Bicycle Frame
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RARE Red Ano 1977 RACE INC RA 7 FRAME Old School BMX Tange PK Ripper DG Bullseye
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1983 Yellow DIAMONDBACK VIPER Frame Fork Old School BMX Silver Streak Hot Cool
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1985 Blue HUTCH WINDSTYLER FRAME FORK Old School BMX Trick Star Wind Styler II
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1980s REDLINE RL240 TWO FIVE RL 20 B Frame Old School BMX Flight II Proline
1980s REDLINE RL240 TWO FIVE RL 20 B Frame Old School BMX Flight II Proline
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Rare Mid School Chrome DYNO BAZOOKA 12 PIT BIKE FRAME Near Mint GT Hutch Old DG
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1983 VDC 20 CHANGA FRAME FORK BARS NICE OLD SCHOOL BMX HUTCH SE RACE INC HARO
1983 VDC 20 CHANGA FRAME FORK BARS NICE OLD SCHOOL BMX HUTCH SE RACE INC HARO
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1987 Haro FST Frame Fork Old School BMX
1987 Haro FST Frame Fork Old School BMX
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GT pro performer frame 89 rare old school bmx freestyle hutch gt redline se
GT pro performer frame 89 rare old school bmx freestyle hutch gt redline se
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Old School GT Mach 1 Frame BMX Racing Boss Hutch
Old School GT Mach 1 Frame BMX Racing Boss Hutch
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1986 Haro Master Frame and Forks F F Old School Survivor
1986 Haro Master Frame and Forks F F Old School Survivor
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DYNO Blue BMX FrameFork Set GT Bicycle Parts Build Yourself Project Old School
DYNO Blue BMX FrameFork Set GT Bicycle Parts Build Yourself Project Old School
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OLD SCHOOL HARO RYAN NYQUIST BMX RACING DIRT FREESTYLE FRAME CHEAP
OLD SCHOOL HARO RYAN NYQUIST BMX RACING DIRT FREESTYLE FRAME CHEAP
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Hutch XL24 BMX Old School 24 Bike Frame XL 24
Hutch XL24 BMX Old School 24 Bike Frame XL 24
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Ultra Rare HARO MISSLE FRAME FORK 3 PIECE CRANKS Old School BMX Master Sport
Ultra Rare HARO MISSLE FRAME FORK 3 PIECE CRANKS Old School BMX Master Sport
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1986 Haro Master Frame and Forks Rare Blue F F BMX Old School
1986 Haro Master Frame and Forks Rare Blue F F BMX Old School
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1988 Haro Sport Frame and Forks Rare Yellow F F BMX Old School
1988 Haro Sport Frame and Forks Rare Yellow F F BMX Old School
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1989 1990 Dyno GT Compe Frame and Forks Blue F F BMX Old School
1989 1990 Dyno GT Compe Frame and Forks Blue F F BMX Old School
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1983 DIAMONDBACK MINI VIPER 16 PIT BIKE Old School Looptail Frame Akisu Forks
1983 DIAMONDBACK MINI VIPER 16 PIT BIKE Old School Looptail Frame Akisu Forks
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Black POWERLITE FS 1 Freestyle FRAME Old School BMX Restored GT Pro Performer
Black POWERLITE FS 1 Freestyle FRAME Old School BMX Restored GT Pro Performer
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87 Pink MONGOOSE DECADE Frame Fork Old School BMX Pro
87 Pink MONGOOSE DECADE Frame Fork Old School BMX Pro
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RARE Old School 1989 HARO MASTER BASHGUARD Frame BMX
RARE Old School 1989 HARO MASTER BASHGUARD Frame BMX
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Blue 24 DIAMONDBACK CRUISER FRAME FORK Mid School BMX Super Viper Old Nitrus
Blue 24 DIAMONDBACK CRUISER FRAME FORK Mid School BMX Super Viper Old Nitrus
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RARE Old School CW MICRO MINI CRUISER Frame Box BMX Jr
RARE Old School CW MICRO MINI CRUISER Frame Box BMX Jr
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Chrome 1983 SCHWINN PREDATOR Frame Fork Manual Old School BMX Oval Aero Tubing
Chrome 1983 SCHWINN PREDATOR Frame Fork Manual Old School BMX Oval Aero Tubing
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Rare 1999 DIAMONDBACK VENOM XX FRAME FORK PEGS Mid School BMX Old Viper Joker
Rare 1999 DIAMONDBACK VENOM XX FRAME FORK PEGS Mid School BMX Old Viper Joker
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Brown Sugar GT DYNO COMPE Frame Fork Old School BMX
Brown Sugar GT DYNO COMPE Frame Fork Old School BMX
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HARO BIKE OLD SCHOOL FREESTYLE BIKE 1986 HARO GROUP 1 RS2 FRAME FORK
HARO BIKE OLD SCHOOL FREESTYLE BIKE 1986 HARO GROUP 1 RS2 FRAME FORK
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HUTCH BIKE OLD SCHOOL FREESTYLE BIKE 1987 HUTCH EXCEL FRAME FORK
HUTCH BIKE OLD SCHOOL FREESTYLE BIKE 1987 HUTCH EXCEL FRAME FORK
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CW Z 750 Frame Fork RESTORED Old School BMX 1000 1500
CW Z 750 Frame Fork RESTORED Old School BMX 1000 1500
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OLD SCHOOL 1984 HARO MASTER BMX FRAME RARE 2nd GENERATION TORKER MADE SKYWAY GT
OLD SCHOOL 1984 HARO MASTER BMX FRAME RARE 2nd GENERATION TORKER MADE SKYWAY GT
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Old School 87 HUTCH EXEL Frame AKISU Fork Pegs BMX
Old School 87 HUTCH EXEL Frame AKISU Fork Pegs BMX
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1987 HARO SPORT TEAM FRAME Old School BMX Master FST
1987 HARO SPORT TEAM FRAME Old School BMX Master FST
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Street Bicycles

BMX-Old School bicycle

Bicycle Frame Geometry 101

I was discussing frame geometry with a prominent coach last week and his perspective on frame geometry struck a nerve with me so I wanted to share this topic with you. The nature of my business at KGS Bikes is to provide a fitting data set that is so accurate that I can build a bicycle to a drawing, ship the bike halfway around the world to a client I have met once and have confidence that the bike will fit perfectly with only a couple of millimeters of possible saddle height adjustment because of the density of the foam in the saddle!

I had been riding “stock” frame geometry for decades and the possibilities created by the combination of an unlimited fitting system and true custom geometry did not exist for me, and thus for you, until fairly recently. The time honored principles of Knee Over Pedal Spindle, (KOPS), the Lemond method, standover height, saddle height equal to hip height when standing next to the bike and scads of other techniques were developed to help people choose a bike size that would work for them.

We need to look at a bit of history because bikes were made quite differently in the 1970’s and before than they are today. The ‘70’s were a time where road bikes had a much different geometry, with seat angles in the 71-72 degree range. Additionally these bikes were built in half sizes and thus had as many as 12 sizes for one model! Today’s bikes have between 3 and 5 sizes so more people are forced to “fit” a bike that will be less than perfect.

The archetypical road bike in the 70’s was the Raleigh Team Professional, which was arguably one of the best and most comfortable racing bikes ever made. At this time there were two schools of racing as well, a European style which was centered on longer rides and races including mountains. An American style developed as well focusing on Criterium racing; shorter closed course races with lots of turns and sprints. The American bicycle manufacturers started producing bikes with 73-74 degree seat angles and much less saddle setback with the logic that our races were shorter and one didn’t need the comfort for a 125 mile race if we were racing for 50 miles.

This style of racing bike geometry became popular as Americans liked the more aggressive position and the young racers working in bike shops could sell these bikes. We now are in a time when most nice bikes are still designed for young professional racers, but are purchased by successful people over 40. I have seen my position change on the bike since I was able to use my setup bike to experiment. I found that the bars really needed to be higher and the saddle needed to be further aft to get the balance points right.

I also found that as I got older (and had some injuries on the way) that my tolerance for the more aggressive geometry was no longer possible. People who came into my studio tended to be folks who had no success getting fitted in other bicycle stores so I had more challenging cases on a day to day basis. I saw more and more people who could not get comfortable on their stock bikes and even had to abandon the respected WobbleNaught fitting system because it tied the individual to an existing bike.

The setup bike began to show me that when one truly was in balance that many good things started happening. First, saddle problems diminished and disappeared completely for most people. Second, low back pain went away. Third, hand numbness was diminished. Additionally people’s ability to ride greater distances improved and incredibly, their power and efficiency improved so they were faster. There was only one problem. The positions that I discovered turned out to be very close to the riding position people had on the old Raleigh Team Pro! It seems that what is old is new again.

It is a long uphill battle to convince production frame manufacturers to build bikes that “grown ups” can ride, but fortunately a handful of expert custom frame manufacturers exists now. I have great success in designing a custom frame based on real individual setup data and can work with these experts to create a frame that has predictable ride characteristics and will be the servant of the rider, not the other way around.
I still get a few people who are the right size for a stock frame but have found that at this level, almost everyone seems to want a well designed custom bike. People seem astonished when they learn that bike riding can be comfortable and much more enjoyable than before. The process is simple; get balanced on the bike first and put the handlebars in the right place second. The geometry of the bike can be a help or a hindrance to a rider and thankfully there are solutions that will allow anyone to be comfortable on a bike.

About the Author

KGS Bikes is known as the world's premiere bicycle fitting studio and boutique. Kevin Saunders, President, has over 25 years experience in high-end bicycles and bicycle fitting. KGS Bikes sells bicycles from Co-Motion Parlee, Serotta, Zinn, and Guru, in addition to fitting services. For more information visit the KGS Bikes website, http://kgsbikes.com and our KGS Bikes blog,http://blog.kgsbikes.com.

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